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ELFT Inequalities Webinar: a public health approach to reducing youth violence - Shared screen with speaker view
Chris Tyson
40:32
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Beverley Morris
41:13
VRU means
Suzanne Tang
41:36
Violence Reduction Unit
Adrian Salmond
44:24
what is the definition of "serious violence" being used here? Thanks
Julie Aduwa
44:24
How do you work with the Youth Offending Team (YOT) and courts or ministry of justice regarding reducing youth offending?
Norbert Lieckfeldt
46:41
Are you doing routine communication needs assessments with the youngsters? Research has shown that incidence of communication impairments both expressive and receptive in young offenders is huge - sometimes so severe that it makes verbally delivered interventions really tough to access for them.
Hena Miah
47:45
Have you thought about adding 'children' to the language more consistently? I think only age 16-18 are young people. Under 16s are children. 'Youth' has negative connotations here and 'young people' risks adultification.
Paula Hedderly
47:47
This is where arts therapies can support communication needs as it offers an additional non-verbal and creative space for young people to express themselves
Katherine Rothman
49:34
I echo Paula's point!
martin Griffiths
51:02
SYV - it’s more a political term than practical. Includes, Homicide, drug-related crime, gang violence. Does not include domestic abuse
martin Griffiths
51:57
Our guidance for in-hospital & SP programmes put needs assessments at the centre of all the work we do
martin Griffiths
53:20
We work in multiple places - we have programmes in custody suites providing diversion, we contribute to the no knives better lives programme, & in a national role work with the MOJ to set & refine policy
Julie Aduwa
54:35
There are many children or youths in care homes and some of these care homes do not provide adequate support. What is being done to support these youths?
Grenville Bingham
54:37
I am an old man. Endemic violence amongst young people did not seem a big issue when I grew up in Liverpool and London in the 40s and 50s. What are the differences that made the difference in the 60 to 70 years since then? I.e. what changed to promote and enable the violence?
martin Griffiths
54:46
I recognise the difficulties around language describing the age groups of those affected by violence. I tend to use the terms that the young people feel most comfortable with
Adrian Salmond
56:45
I must leave early for another meeting. Thank you to the organisers and presenters. Look forward to hearing more.
martin Griffiths
57:01
I don’t think people talked about violence or measured it as accurately as we do now. as an old man myself I recognise that we see, treat, manage and publicise violence, and particularly crime much more than before
Julie Aduwa
57:30
How do local authorities support youths under their care?
Beverley Morris
58:46
I get the video, and was impressed however, it came across as the program is only for ethnic children. I know it is not but looking at it that was the impression I got sorry
martin Griffiths
59:04
There are programmes supporting young people in AP, the secure estate & youth/care homes - we’ve done a lot to improve the offer to those groups
Shirley Biro
59:39
reaching and supporting NEET's?
Beverley Morris
59:42
AP means sorry bit of a lay woman
Touseef Tariq
59:53
The youth are seeing more love from "gang life" then family, school and friends. Even the music from London and Bham are playing a big part in youth violence.
Hena Miah
59:55
Alternative Provision.
Beverley Morris
01:00:28
I agree gangs provide a family
martin Griffiths
01:01:23
Really interesting comment about ethnicity - it’s true that violence disproportionately affects certain populations more than others - we support the entire community & recognise there is more work to do around supporting diversity/gypsy/roma/1st generation immigrant families & all
Beverley Morris
01:02:19
Martin are we endanger of missing children
martin Griffiths
01:02:38
AP = alternative provision - education for this not in mainstream school
Rosie Newbigging
01:02:38
if schools are a 'safe place' how do we stop them permanently excluding children and young people and disproportionate exclusion of black children and young people and children and young people with SEND?
Louise Shepheard-Walwyn
01:03:12
As a CAMHS clinician I wonder what the evidence base is for CBT for this group of young people. I have to say I am critical about whether this would be the best therapeutic approach.
Beverley Morris
01:03:29
make it illegal for schools to exclude children.
Rosie Newbigging
01:03:46
is there anything in the schools white paper or SEND green paper that will be helpful? or will it compound the problems with all schools becoming academies?
Stephanie Tanner
01:04:16
Schools are such an important part of this - both as a place where young people are, and more importantly sometimes aren't. Feels like we're not connected enough with schools even though I know a lot of important work is going on there, MHSTs etc. Is there a sort of critical time working with schools before some of the issues/inequalities impact and manifest in violence?
Louise Shepheard-Walwyn
01:04:17
I also wonder about the idea of whether school is a safe place for our black young people especially considering the case of child q recently
martin Griffiths
01:04:24
We’ve been working with DfE to understand the reasons and impact of exclusion. Ideally we would like no children to be excluded
Julie Aduwa
01:04:43
Is there nothing about youths with mental health and learning disabilities and autism
Rosie Newbigging
01:04:58
impact of exclusion is trauma for child and family and acceleration of risk
martin Griffiths
01:06:16
Vanguard will allow us to identify neurodiversity much earlier in life and direct young people to support
Beverley Morris
01:07:31
why this age group
martin Griffiths
01:07:50
We are always in danger of missing children. We’ve massively extended our work to support young people including those in/out of school as well as those within the CJS
Beverley Morris
01:08:22
we know that drugs gangs use children as young as 8 or 10 years old
martin Griffiths
01:08:48
Our programmes sit within prisons as well as providing outreach work to those not in education & employment
Navelette Green
01:09:13
I agree with what Beverley just said
Julie Aduwa
01:09:27
What is the local authorities doing enhance the quality of their lives in order to reduce violence and even prevent ending up in hospital?
Jeni Lord
01:10:04
I echo Beverley's comments too
martin Griffiths
01:10:18
We’ve done some really excellent work with primary aged children - there are some excellent examples in SE London & the Hackney area.
Beverley Morris
01:11:19
why are we not in GOSH
martin Griffiths
01:11:31
I’m interested to ask what you think about programmes that sit in primary schools that talk about gang/drug & youth violence
Louise Shepheard-Walwyn
01:12:27
I think the earlier the better.
Creeanne O'Hara
01:12:43
do you offer any services within luton/bedfordshire areas?
Beverley Morris
01:12:44
what is the program in primary schools?
Julie Aduwa
01:12:46
There are still many gangs violence in various parts of London. There should be a need to prevent this first. Preventing this will reduce hospitalisation
martin Griffiths
01:12:52
GOSH don’t have an emergency department & have no trauma patients. We’re in the process of working with the Evelina to see if a service would be feasible
martin Griffiths
01:13:30
There is work in luton & Bedfordshire - happy to link you offline
Creeanne O'Hara
01:13:46
Thank you
Navelette Green
01:13:47
Sad to say not all Primary schools have a programme in place,
Beverley Morris
01:14:30
Is there a program in Homerton Hackney or Royal London in Tower Hamlets?
martin Griffiths
01:15:09
Redthread are at the Homerton. St Giles & Engage are RLH
Navelette Green
01:16:23
I would like know also if there any in Tower Hamlets as well as couple primary school is in need of this
Grenville Bingham
01:16:32
The book Influence by Cialdini has some interesting points that might be helpful in diversion and prevention.
Touseef Tariq
01:16:43
Youth have a lot of free time. So they end up chilling on the streets and meeting local lads, chilling with criminals who show them love and slowly drag them into peer pressure gang violence.
Hena Miah
01:17:21
Can your services help with housing?
Beverley Morris
01:17:43
nobody can help with housing
Lib Peck
01:17:44
there is a big issue around exclusions - and disproportionality. Really important that we use the policy voice we have to reduce exclusions rate. While we provide extra support for kids in non mainstream education.
Jeni Lord
01:18:17
Identifying YP after they've already shown links with gangs is almost too late. Is it not harder to help them get away from those affiliations than it is to prevent the links in the first place?
Julie Aduwa
01:19:38
Local authorities need to open more youth clubs. They are turning to violence because there is nothing in the community for them to be engaged in. Schools holidays coming now and some will have nothing to do.
Beverley Morris
01:19:44
sometimes peer groups/family are the problem
Lib Peck
01:19:52
on terminology, tend to use children & young people and think of up to age of 25.
Michael Alexander
01:20:10
Apologies, I need to run. Thanks very much to all the speakers, a very interesting morning!
Touseef Tariq
01:20:42
when I was excluded I ended up in a gang. in and out of prison for gang violence. Luckily I changed my life around, from a criminal record holder to a degree holder. getting excluded played a big part of my life. exclusions must stop !!!
Beverley Morris
01:21:35
by excluding children we are doing two things, 1. giving the child what it wants, 2 giving the gangs what they want
Paula Hedderly
01:21:36
That's incredible Touseef! And yes exclusions only reinforce a sense of alienation for young people
Hena Miah
01:22:08
Don't forget about internal exclusion / isolation booths which might not be recorded.
Stephanie Tanner
01:22:49
Yes, YP are often excluded even within school.
Rosie Newbigging
01:23:56
failure to identify SEND early and/or meet SEND needs can often result in exclusions. In some areas, cyp with SEND are a staggering 10 times more likely to be excluded
Beverley Morris
01:25:58
when the media stops glaming up the gangs maybe we can make inroads
Paula Hedderly
01:27:07
I think a couple of people have their hands up
Angela Bartley
01:27:43
HI everyone we aren't taking direct questions - please put your question in the chat !
Jeni Lord
01:28:08
I don't think the media will ever stop glamming up the gangs. I think there is a need to produce material that 'counter educates' young people so they can see the downside of gang life in contrast
Hazel Thomas
01:28:14
Thank you all for the informative presentations. my question is are there evidence that the programmes in place are making a difference in tackling youth violence?
Julie Aduwa
01:29:02
18 is treated as an adult not youth
Louise Shepheard-Walwyn
01:29:21
Thank you for a very informative and interesting webinar.
Beverley Morris
01:29:45
how do we deal with the story that is trending Will Smith. I am sure that this went virol, however, his appoligy did not
Hena Miah
01:30:08
It's sad that it has to get so bad before they get help.
Navelette Green
01:30:22
Thank you all
Lisa Young
01:30:33
Thank you all
Louise Savage
01:30:33
Thank you all
Emer O'Sullivan
01:30:39
Thanks for a very informative webinar
Creeanne O'Hara
01:30:39
thank you
Touseef Tariq
01:30:39
thank YOU
Beverley Morris
01:30:41
thank you so much
Faizal Patel
01:30:44
Thanks