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Inequalities Webinar - Poverty - Shared screen with speaker view
Viral Kantaria
55:38
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/567749/the-inner-level-by-richard-wilkinson-and-kate-pickett/
Dale Greenwood
56:35
https://tubecreature.com/#/livesontheline/current/same/*/*/FFTFTF/12/-0.1429/51.5163/ life expectancy according to TFL station
Esther Cann
56:37
Could I ask what was the statistic relating to older people in poverty, and what year that relates to? Thank you
Shirley Legate
58:52
Have an echo. Not know why I am wearing hedphones
Richard Fradgley
59:45
Hi Esther, it was 43.9% of older people in tower hamlets live in income deprived households, the highest proportion in the country. More info available here: https://www.londoncouncils.gov.uk/members-area/member-briefings/local-government-finance/indices-deprivation-2019
Cynthia White
01:00:07
Hello everyone, 137 people who might need to be here are at the VCS Assembly focusing on Racial Inequalities . Could we have slides etc. shared afterwards so that colleagues can catch up later? Many thanks! Cynthia (Chair, City & Hackney OPRG)
Esther Cann
01:01:16
Thanks very much Richard.
Beverley Morris
01:01:51
as canary wharf is part of Tower Hamlets how are they still the poorest borough
Viral Kantaria
01:03:15
Stat about older people so assume only v small proportion of CW affluent residents?
Beverley Morris
01:05:06
apart from money, what other things are defined as in poverty?
Norbert Lieckfeldt
01:05:40
Bev, I think the point was that nationally Tower Hamlets is becoming comparatively less deprived but that increase in wealth masks great differences and still leaves a lot of TH residents deprived
Alicia Weston
01:07:48
There's an excellent book on this called "Scarcity" by Sendhil and Mullainathan
Alicia Weston
01:08:17
shows the psychological impact of being short of cash and other goods
Adrian McDowell
01:08:34
Links to those lab experiments would be interesting to have
Alicia Weston
01:08:45
It actually shows that people lose IQ points
Keith Williams
01:13:06
Can we have copies of the slides?
Angela Bartley
01:13:26
Yes and we will make the recording available as well
Keith Williams
01:13:54
Thanks very much.
Suzana Stefanic
01:13:58
Given stress is having more demand upon ones resources then there is realistic ability to fulfil them all timely and efficiently it leads rapidly towards poverty as stress deprived one of intellectual abilities in various ways and to various degrees
Beverley Morris
01:16:28
go back 100 years and this was the Jewish community.
Beverley Morris
01:18:55
university credit from the beginning caused more poverty.
Beverley Morris
01:20:09
university credit and PIP were designed to take away money from people.
Suzana Stefanic
01:21:01
Universal Credit put more people into poverty than it really helped :(
Caroline Diehl
01:21:28
These two areas - good quality work and home - are areas we could campaign on & support through i) vol.sector partnership ii) fundraising and strategic pillars in the new ELFT charity.
Saleem Haider
01:21:42
I would have thought education and skills would also be a key enabler out of poverty?
Lisa McLean
01:21:48
This has been a really interesting conversation so far- unfortunately I have to leave now. Thank you Toby and the organisers. Look forward to receiving a copy of the slides or the recording. Thank you.
Jamu Patel
01:21:51
Poor housing, living with long term illness hard to stay positive and strong daily. Covid has definitely added more challenges! Hence the high need of Mental Health services. Unemployment caused many suicidal thoughts to many…
Beverley Morris
01:22:15
I agree.
Norbert Lieckfeldt
01:23:49
Saleem - I think it can be but the evidence seems to say that there are barriers for BAME students to use their better educational attainments in the job markets vs those of white British. White British often have poorer educational outcome but land the better paid jobs anyway.
Suzana Stefanic
01:23:50
Not necessarily Saleem, as cognition and intellectual abilities are adversely affected when in high stress situation or encountering disabilities and ill health so it is not as linear and direct, it helps but it is not always key enabler on its own.
Alicia Weston
01:25:16
25% of mortality in people in poverty the UK are linked to diet. This needs to be addressed as well.
Beverley Morris
01:25:57
we need to stop selling off council land and housing stock to allow building companies million pound homes. Tottenham are building 1050 new houses only 100 are for council rents.
Norbert Lieckfeldt
01:26:45
Really interesting to see the evidence, and to highlight ways to increase equality but ELFT is now talking about social *justice* and we therefore also need to say not only this needs to be addressed because it is leading to poor health outcomes but be really clear this must be addressed because is unjust (even if it didn't lead to poorer health putcomes).
Suzana Stefanic
01:27:20
Absolutely agree with you Norbert
Adrian McDowell
01:27:47
There is room for larger employers to provide more affordable finance for employees
Cleiton Accordi
01:27:54
We also have to stop organizations to charging the vulnerable £1000 pounds monthly for accommodation only deducting off their universal credit.
Beverley Morris
01:29:02
the NHS should have 24 hours free child care, this would improve productive, health and attendance
Alicia Weston
01:29:18
someone asked me yesterday if we want referrals or signposting.... what a question. most of the people "signposted" don't ever make contact. Whereas a referral is a clear point of contact that we can follow up
Ivor Parrish
01:30:36
This week's Panorama on BBC2 (in conjunction with the different one on BBC1) is totally terrifying.
Suzana Stefanic
01:31:03
Thank you for such comprehensive and brilliant presentation Toby. The statistics are shocking and sad.
Richard Fradgley
01:31:58
Can I ask anyone who would like to make a comment to put their virtual hand up?
Viral Kantaria
01:33:14
Or the people who actually manage to successfully get through e.g. an NHS mental health assessment without being rejected or bounced around...
Alicia Weston
01:33:25
totally agree with that statement. What has always interested us are the people that DON'T come to us
Alicia Weston
01:33:37
this is why we now go to them
Catherine Aganoglu
01:33:39
Excellent point Toby about responsbility for whole population health for a 'levelling up agenda'
Suzana Stefanic
01:33:50
Fully agree, there is notion that if individual does not ask for help it means they do not need it.
Adrian McDowell
01:34:49
It would be good to make connections between health and social care as social care is much less well funded in terms of employees and those who qualify for statutory support
Jamu Patel
01:35:04
Hungry child will not have the energy to concentrate and learn. I hope schools are ready to step up.
Norbert Lieckfeldt
01:35:31
I believe ELFT has moved away from focus on our service user in our vision (deliver the best possible service) to everyone in our patch some years ago, whether they access our services or not "quality of life for all we serve".
Viral Kantaria
01:35:51
Well yes let's hope it's not just Marcus Rashford who is ready to step up, Jamu!
Alicia Weston
01:36:03
if people are interested in improving the diets of the people they are working with, please contact our organisation Bags of Taste www.bagsoftaste.org we are working with the most vulnerable and disadvantaged to improve their diets via behaviour change courses and mentoring
Esther Cann
01:36:28
Thanks Alicia, I work at Globe Community Project and we will take a look
Alicia Weston
01:36:34
or contact me directly Alicia@bagsoftaste.org
Alicia Weston
01:37:36
we can work with people remotely in their own homes, so if disability is an issue we can still work with them. AND WE CAN DO IT OVER THE PHONE!! does not need to be a mobile phone
Suzana Stefanic
01:37:57
Alicia, that is fantastic!
Alicia Weston
01:37:59
we are not discriminatory :-)
Margaret Seaton
01:38:03
Well said Cynthia.
Alicia Weston
01:38:39
OMG YES
Alicia Weston
01:38:46
We are the answer to foodbanks!!
Alicia Weston
01:39:12
we solve the problem at source and enable people to feed themselves healthy food for less than £1 a portion
Alicia Weston
01:39:17
I love this woman
Alicia Weston
01:39:37
BUT there is a lot to say about what are the barriers here. IT IS NOT ABOUT LEARNING TO COOK
Ilksen Dogan
01:39:44
Political aspects not mentioned once- am I missing something? How can we expect the Schools/NHS/community services to fix this?
Viral Kantaria
01:39:51
Alicia thank you, will pass on your details to some colleagues working in ELFT
Alicia Weston
01:40:01
how do I put my hand up?
Alicia Weston
01:40:09
This is my area of expertise
Richard Fradgley
01:40:17
Alicia ill bring you in next
Ivor Parrish
01:40:27
I registered on-line for, and received (very quickly), the NHS letter in the post confirming my full vaccination status. There was no mobile phone involved, but a simple desk-top computer was used.
Adrian McDowell
01:40:27
Can I ask a question, please?
Jamu Patel
01:40:31
Well said Cynthia, i had a call from someone asking how to book a covid booster, i signposted them to a pharmacy because the person does not have technology.
Adrian McDowell
01:40:41
not sure how to raise hand on here
Norbert Lieckfeldt
01:41:02
Just to add - loved the idea of wrapping addressing poverty around each contact; If we are looking at social justice, we are making a moral statement, that deprivation is unjust. I really welcome that.
Norbert Lieckfeldt
01:41:18
you can raise your hand under Reactions
Angela Bartley
01:42:18
We held a webinar last Dec on Food Poverty - the recording of this is on our website if people are interested
Suzana Stefanic
01:42:50
one tip is to batch cook and freeze, however many in poverty can not afford freezer!
Hannah Prytherch
01:43:01
I have to go. Thanks so much Toby, it was a great presentation! :)
Esther Cann
01:43:40
Thanks for all the information Alicia, fascinating
Beverley Morris
01:43:54
you can get fridge freezer free from a charity local councils have a list
Alicia Weston
01:44:18
www.bagsoftaste.orghere's the information on the wider determinants of health preventing people in poverty eating better diets:https://bit.ly/BoTVenn
Suzana Stefanic
01:44:20
even in Central Bedfrodshire???
Beverley Morris
01:44:39
as far as I know,
Jamu Patel
01:45:27
Thank you Toby for an excellent presentation. Richard your hard work bringing different webinars are appreciated. Thank you.
Suzana Stefanic
01:45:39
I am carer for individual who has a need, Ill have a look at councils web site.
Beverley Morris
01:45:39
this is about supermarkets ready meals, they are easy and so called cheap
Alicia Weston
01:46:17
exactly Beverly. We are in direct competition with supermarket ready meals and chicken+chips. Please take 5 mins to watch this video https://bit.ly/BoTVenn
Ivor Parrish
01:46:50
Batch-cooking can be more challenging for people under certain mental duress. They can often not have the capacity. Maybe this is why jam-making was often the preserve of the middle classes, if you excuse the pun.
Alicia Weston
01:46:55
you do need a house to cook a meal, pretty much
Suzana Stefanic
01:47:29
indeed, jobs and houses ..
Alicia Weston
01:47:32
Ivor these are things we think about all the time. Happy to discuss with you. The classic "home economics" model does not work
toby lewis
01:48:06
are you a real living wage employer
Jamu Patel
01:48:17
Including some governors.
Keith Williams
01:48:47
Keith Williams: Everyone should watch I Daniel Blake to understand what it's like to be poor and in need of help.
Alicia Weston
01:49:00
great movie :-)
Cynthia White
01:49:23
I Safeguarding as elsewhere, we support MECC "making Every Contact Count", but in my experience this is interpreted in too limited a way. Cynthia OPRG
Norbert Lieckfeldt
01:49:28
what a great session, thank you so much!
toby lewis
01:49:35
good luck
Lorna Lennon
01:49:38
Thank you very helpful
Lucinda Platt
01:49:41
Thank you!
Viral Kantaria
01:49:47
thank you
Suzanne Tang
01:49:49
Thank you!
Natalie Stowell
01:49:49
Thank you!
Caroline Diehl
01:49:51
Thanks Toby, v helpful.
Cynthia White
01:49:56
Thank you so much - this was great! Cynthia
Lize Mostert
01:50:22
Thank you, helpful to gain perspective working inside NHS and alongside children with tricky mealtimes.